have been contacted by someone who said that he had a horn The horns stamped METROhad the STDD M neck, and horns stamped NATL had the STDD N neck. About Conn-Selmer Conn-Selmer Careers Diversity, Equity, Inclusion, and Accessibility Latest News Accessibility Statement Contact Conn Selmer. Curved soprano $ 2200 Deduct 20% if keyed to Eb only This horn is set up for a . name indicated "Low Pitch" and "High Pitch", respectively. Youll be unlikely to find them in anything but lacquer. Tenors and alto horns only. rolled-tone-holes, Eb Baritone Naked Lady with Bass $ 7000, COMMITTEE AND COMMITTEE II THROUGH 1945 We also use third-party cookies that help us analyze and understand how you use this website. Bass $ 7500. The Beauty of Saxophones: Fully Engraved 1932 Selmer Cigar Cutter Alto Saxophone, Original 1931 Conn Alto Saxophone Warranty Booklet. Made in 1930, with wonderful art-deco engraving. The Eb/C mechanism is genius; the articulated low C#/Bb mechanism should be on all horns. rolled-tone-hole (LP), Eb Alto Naked Lady with found a website that lists conn serial numbers up to 1968. if i read it right it says that numbers starting with the letter "m" were seconds. full Transitional glory: M series keywork and art deco engraving. No information survives about these terms, but they may involve different neck designs or tapers. Theyre almost always seen in satin silver. However, It is a very late "Transitional" model tenor sax with split bell-keys, and was manufactured just before production of the Conn 10M started. Alto Super 20 $2600 see above commentary for adjustments These are the Top Hat and Cane horns, the best of the Bueschers. or for information regarding use/reproduction The Mark VI was an impossible act to follow. They are the best of the vintage baritones. Sources:Allied SupplyMusic TraderConn Loyalist, 1980-1986 numbers are inexact, and may relate only to student level trumpets/cornets. sand blast velvet finish, bell richly engraved, pearl finger Conn Trumpet Notes Catalogue - Vol. Alto $ 6100 In 1936-37 (#276xxx-277xxx) appeared a run of about 1,000 horns stamped either 6M METRO or 6M NATL. > Silver split bell keys to bell keys on one side of the horn (LH side Alto $ 2400 C melody $ 800 C instruments and the 16V If you feel any image or soundbyte used here is in violation of copyright Theyre great! I saw this 1991 4100000. that doesn't have "6M" The production of old and new models can overlap, or in some cases features of a new model appear on the later batch of the previous model. Tenor $1400 B: the inside diameter of the inner sleeve of the tunable neck (you will need to complete unscrew the tuner barrel to get to it) There are quite a few saxophone serial number charts on the internet, these ones have mostly been adapted from existing manufacturers and saxophone enthusiasts charts. 3811713 - 3821881. If the model "Connstellation" is engraved on the leadpipe, then it is a 28B Connstellation trumpet. They will always have a raised silver logo on the bell; brown rollers; a silver resonance ring under the bell rim; snap in pads and Norton springs, and an underslung octave key. This is a partial list, and represents only some of the most visible changes. engraving choices you could get or Conn engravers just got 1989 3900000. horns is the switch from split to one-sided bell keys. Plate (6) Installed by Google Analytics, _gid cookie stores information on how visitors use a website, while also creating an analytics report of the website's performance. > Satin Gold Plate (0) These cookies track visitors across websites and collect information to provide customized ads. Tenor $ 800 The indication (LP) and (HP) after the model The ergonomics range from fairly vintage-y but servicable in the early New Wonder II style transitionals to very modern (although different from a VI) in the later 6M transitionals and eventual 6Ms proper. 20 July 2012 Cornet section: Replaced picture on 20A Flugelhorn (1926). Tenor $ 3200 vintage alto saxophone top tenons for alto saxophone. My current opinion is that there were either a couple Ive always thought that horns without the optional high F# key played a little better. NEW WONDER CHU BERRY 150XXX 240XXX This cookie, set by Cloudflare, is used to support Cloudflare Bot Management. A famous example would be the early 30s Conn instruments. - A horn MODELE 22 750 4450 Bare Brass (4) I would encourage those critics to do their own research and publish their own findings. STARTED at approximately s/n: - 220xxx for baritone I've seen a couple of horns refurbished Tenor 30M $ 4000 The best vintage tenor, IMHO Bare Brass (4) fork Eb trill disappears Watch this gear and we'll notify you if it becomes available again. To be clear, I will use the term New Wonder II style transitional to denote saxophones that share more in common with the New Wonder II, and 6M transitional to denote saxophones that share more in common with the 6M. And lastly, here is a tenor example of a horn with the NM stamp. They are undervalued. > Nickel Beautiful Conn gold plated Art Deco Transitional model alto. Tenor $ 3000 lengthening of the altissimo keys and the addition of an adjustable This appears onevery Conn alto I have ever seenmade between about #253xxx and #275xxx (1932-1936). The differences in the variations are pretty minor, mostly in mechanism. Alto Low A $ 5000 Conn Trumpet Notes - Vol. The cookie is set by GDPR cookie consent to record the user consent for the cookies in the category "Functional". The other members of the family still had the True Tone label. I have based my research on actual selling prices by recognized dealers. > Satin Gold Plate (0) 5 After that, altos were simply marked 6M, probably without design changes. 262xxx is a transitional, that plays like a 6M . and bass models (actually during the late New Wonder period) 10M Bb Tenor The fourth character indicated the instrument: "1" = Cornet, "2" = Trumpet, "3" = Alto Horn, "4" = French Horn, "5" = Mellophone, "6" = Valve Trombone, "7" = Slide Trombone, "8" = Baritone Horn & Euphonium, "9" = Tuba, and "10" = Sousaphone. Advertisement cookies are used to provide visitors with relevant ads and marketing campaigns. It's there. bore and tonehole placement redesigned. of 1927 and 1928 catalogs. > Silver & Gold (1) Some information may repeat between what I wrote and what he wrote, but trust me there is a ton of information here and the read is worth it if you are interested in Conn transitional altos! You are very sure there is no model number there. Both Paul and Brian are fellow Conn lovers, and this article would not have been possible without their help. Play one in good adjustment and youll see what I mean. Date Serial Number 1894 High Pitched Models 2,000 1895 2,000 1896 2,000 1897 2,500 1898 3,000 1899 3,500 1900 3,900 1901 4,400 1902 5,100 1903 6,700 1904 8,500 1905 9,600 1906 10,800 1907 12,000 1908 13,000 1909 These horns are much more desirable than any of their ancestors. *1980 - 1986 serial numbers are for student trumpet and cornets only. The third character indicated the year within the decade (defined by the first letter). I am well aware that some will question my figures and criticize my findings. The straight Bb soprano had already been transitioned to the 6, 1882 C.G. *1980 - 1986 serial numbers are for student trumpet and cornets only. post by keltonshields. Gold Plate (00). - 237xxx for the alto and included the underslung octave key VII No. The tarnish will clean completely off during the . The first character of the serial number indicated the decade; The second character indicated the month of the year; The third character indicated the year within the decade (defined by the first letter). Pristine examples bring top dollar. Other features that changed (incomplete list): new double socket neck design With Conn the situation is potentially much more complicated and involves a much greater production range roughly #250k-278k (1932-37). in the elimination of the "buzzy A"; the octave necessarily indicative of a "Transitional" horn! Starting at serial #245xxx, the low Bb keycup moves to the left side of the bell, the octave key moves to the underside of the neck, and the one-piece thumbhook is replaced by a swivel assembly. If the horns were indeed floor models, why have I never seen others outside of that serial range, and why were they ALSO mis-stamped? The main thing you learn from serial numbers is the age of the instrument of course. Track 1: Mouthpiece Comparison (x5) on a Conn Transitional 12M #245k: MC Gregory GALE 4M, Selmer S80D, Otto Link 6*, Meyer 6M, Steve Broadus Perfected Model > ( deduct 20%) ; the alto lost its microtuner in the 50s; the tenor got an underslung octave mechanism in the 50s; and they all gained nickel keywork. The first transitional feature to appear on the altos is the sculpted/raised side E touchpiece, the earliest example of which I have seen was on a 234,xxx horn that was with that one design exception a run-of-the-mill New Wonder Series II. Serial Number: 271,xxx; For the Gerry Mulligan lovers! that is essentially a 6M (etc.) This I have based my valuations upon the following assumptions: (1) the instrument is in perfect playing condition and needs nothing in terms of repair (2) the finish is original and completely intact (3) the original case is intact (4) the instrument has not been altered or modified from its original condition, having the correct style pads, springs, no neck pickups etc. Silver plated ones bring 20% more, Ive never seen a gold plated one. Alto Zephyr Spcl. Baritone Magna $ 3600. Much better horns than the 22s and 26s. These terms had appeared on certain 26M Connqueror altos as early as 1935, so possibly the 6Ms were reusing old tooling. There are a few silver (add 20%) plated ones, and a very few (add 30%) gold ones. These are optional and you can choose to enable/disable any such cookies in your preferences: All profit to charity Currently: 97500 -, Did you enjoy this article? The VII was rejected by the Selmer faithful. Microtuners; and adjustable pivot screws; and added an entirely Vintage Conn Transitional Alto Saxophone . Tenor $ 2900 They do play rather nicely, and you sometimes see them in silver (add 20%) and Ive heard there were some gold ones. Conn Trumpet Notes- Vol. This website uses cookies to improve your experience while you navigate through the website. examples with a lacquer body with silver over all, pearl inlaid keys and rollers, bell richly hand-engraved. IX No. hand burnished. available with the large variety of New Wonder finishes. Bass $ 7500. Gold Plate (0) The early ones are mostly seen in silver, add 15% for gold plate. "art deco" engraving on the bell, but this is not Repairing and overhauling these 6M variants is relatively straightforward, but I would recommend bringing them to a vintage saxophone specialist- ideally someone familiar with Conns- for best results. is that right? with a gold body and silver keywork (finish 1), but I have Please check the fields highlighted in red. The cookie is set by MailChimp to record which page the user first visited. Alto $ 2000 Alto 26M $ 2800 Prices may vary considerably depending upon the amount and style of engraving. It has not yet been overhauled, and is pictured in its current state with pads that are about 50 years old. Please also note that "burnished" means "mirror-like" They play rather nicely. swivel thumbrest Less evident redesigned low Eb/C touchpieces If not, it could be this (rare, so unlikely) model: 8B Symphony Grand (Gustat). This particular sax is silver plated and is a great horn in terms of sound, building quality and technical finishing. Grafton Acrylic Alto Saxophone; HOLTON. Tenor Super 20 $ 3400 see above commentary for adjustments > quotes. Oops, looks like you forgot something. 3811713 - 3821881. After the mid 1950s, the Zephyr became an intermediate model, so deduct 30%. Theres a real oversupply of alto horns. But what does the A suffixmean? anyway if that is right does it affect the value of the vintage horns? ARISTOCRAT 330XXX 360XXX The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. We use cookies on our website to give you the most relevant experience by remembering your preferences and repeat visits. I find their intonation to be sketchy at best. The test_cookie is set by doubleclick.net and is used to determine if the user's browser supports cookies. I have only addressed instruments for which there is a regular and established market, so not every model is included. Mine has the Naked Lady. Many companies make other instruments, not just saxophones and the serial numbers are spread over their entire range. Plate (2) I will be adding more soon, as well as checking for accuracy and updating these with more historical and instrument information. 12M Eb Baritone (low Bb; low A not available until 1955-ish) Resources. While Conn generally used the numbers to refer to finish, Note: From 1987 to present, add 50 to the serial number prefix to calculate the year of manufacture. You can buy two wonderful old Conns for what some people are asking for Selmers of the same era. The tone is nice and warm and fat with a solid core- and could be used for anything from big band to small group jazz and even classical with the right mouthpiece. The engraving is usually not too elaborate. the biggest change from the New Wonder to the M series of Make of that what you will. This list is not correct for Conn saxophones (see Conn Woodwind Serial Numbers) or Conn bugles (see Pan American Brass Serial Numbers). This cookie is set by DoubleClick to note the user's specific user identity. In my opinion, the saxophones designed at the Experimental Laboratory represent the first of the truly modern American Saxophones, and particularly on the 6M are home to some of the best stack keywork ever designed. By clicking Subscribe, I agree to receive exclusive offers & promotions, news & reviews, and personalized tips for buying and selling on Reverb. Absolutely worth it! Were talking about REAL saxophones here! The problem up to now has been that no one has made any measurements or other tests on these particular horns. Conn Saxophone model numbers Italics indicates "educated guess". I found this list while shopping for information and thought it nice to have on hand. There is no past damage, and there are no past repairs of any kind. The cookie stores information anonymously and assigns a randomly generated number to recognize unique visitors. Sopranino $3000 Heavily gold plated, hand burnished over all, pearl inlaid Alto $1800 Tenor $1400 I have not seen examples of a straight soprano or bass in a pentagon. Around 430XXX, the Super 20 was cheapened considerably: the neck changed to a conventional style; the bell key engraving eventually went away; the mother of pearl inlay was long since gone. 32. Connection Sessions; Dealer Locator; China. BUESCHER Serial Numbers. this means that Conn's baritone and bass had more advanced The #239xxx serial number dates to 1930.Its been a minimally used and well cared for horn that has been stored for many years and awaits an overhaul.Have your tech set it up to your specs as far as pads, resos, key heights, spring ten. This cookie is installed by Google Analytics. All Rights Reserved. Lucky you! I have a customer who owns one. This cookie, set by YouTube, registers a unique ID to store data on what videos from YouTube the user has seen. Why was the mistake a zero stamp in the second digit in both cases instead of anything else? redesigned ergonomics on palm keys Models I have found that most of the action in pre-Balanced Action horns is just talk. Necessary cookies are absolutely essential for the website to function properly. This article includes (with permission) information from posts on the forum at Saxontheweb by saxophone historian/geek Paul Lindemeyer, author of Celebrating the Saxophone, and photos and information from Brian at Getasax.com. More info: I did not consider auction sales (such as E-Bay); private sales between individuals who are not regular dealers; pawn shop or other irregular sources, or any anecdotal stories. model, but with New Wonder or plain engraving. don't ask for the web address because i don't remember. underslung octave key and redesigned octave mechanism Later ones have sculpted low Eb/C keys like the legendary S-1. There were 2 sets of Conn models that had M prefacing the serial number, and this often a source of confusion. keys. I've not seen Finish 5 on any I am inclined to believe it is just a mis-stamp of the serial, out of all of the possibilities. > . Tenor $ 7000 A Sopranino, soprano, baritone, and bass Mk VIs were made until the introduction of the Super 80 series. They are often beautifully engraved. I think these horns are undervalued. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Baritone $3300, SUPERBA II Silver examples bring about a 20% premium; gold plate about 30% more. Bare Brass (4) Please note that in order to help fund the site we may serve ads by via Google AdSense, and cookies may be used for personalisation of these ads to make them more relevant. The horns made during that time are almost all Transitional 6Ms, identical to later 6Ms except for certain neck details (not all known, as summarized above) and, of course, the swivel thumbhook. Youll see these with different keywork styles, and almost always with elaborate engraving. This Conn alto saxophone is a forerunner of the Conn 6M. They have an A after the serial number. 0 - Artist Finish ("Satin Gold"): Heavily gold plated > Silver & Gold (1) A serial network scheme with a small network size is designed for small user applications, and a parallel network scheme with high speed is designed for places such as data centres. 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