Qrv?vz:= =%Y J '(& 1 - I am not chemist but I find that often people look at individual parts rather then the whole of things. The damage can reach beyond the farmers who live close to sprayed areas. Without chemicals, we would never have had a Green Revolution. <> endobj 35 0 obj Consider Copper sulfate. My advice is to spray at a low rate, obey the "days to harvest" interval and wash them off really good. Synergy. hb```"}j @1f@cNniYjx!445@SeIz@d fb6H7r|9@ n See AV Talk forum! It is labeled for fungus. The mixing is easy. endobj <> Mostly tomato growers. Its manufacture is also done in a factory. This fungicide is good for early tomato blight but you can use it for other plants as well. T turf, ornamentals, and other agricultural crops. As one person above said, I encourage everyone to do their own research and make up their own mind about what they use. /Contents 8 0 R>> Good idea, tomatomike, I think I will follow your lead harvest first then treat, thanks :). Apart from this, apply the solution thoroughly on the plant surface as this solution can get washed off by rain. endobj 22 0 obj 2 - Just because something isn't safe and it is withdrawn from the market (Voluntarily) doesn't mean that the alternatives are any better. Many of the effects seen following acute exposure are consistent with irritation at the initial site of contact. I also enjoy a FULL year round harvest of many veggies including tomatoes. 5 Reasons, The Best Plants to Grow in October: Bulbs, Veggies & Flowers, The Best Flowers to Plant in South Carolina. I'll let others who might know those many chemical formulas answer your question b/c I can't without doing a tremendous amount of research and I'm just not willing to take the time to do that. The spots are water-soaked and you can easily spot them. EXTOXNET primary files maintained and archived at Oregon State Approved DACONIL 2787 15724 2019-06-05 Page 6 of 25 GROUP M5 FUNGICIDE DACONIL 2787 Flowable Fungicide COMMERCIAL Turf and Ornamental Fungicide ACTIVE INGREDIENT: Chlorothalonil (tetrachloroisophthalonitrile) 40.4% Contains 500 grams Chlorothalonil per Litre Contains 1,2-benzisothiazolin-3-one at 0.01% as a preservative. [ _4`v *r%En zgn87+5N2eN Db@d1`en:gKf[V(ijb We've hashed through this issue here in this same forum many times in the past two years. Prevent eating, drinking, tobacco use, and The result of this kind of propaganda is that many consumers are confused about what chemicals pose dangers and falsely believe that organic food is automatically safer to humans and the environment than conventionally grown foods. 14 of 16 people found this answer helpful. Pretty please lets' not assume b'c I have a Ph.D in Human Infectious Diseases and taught med students most of my life that I know more than others about anything ( other than perhaps about infectious diseases). You have actually convinced me that it is one of the least toxic of the Home Depot green bottle pesticides. It helps with black tomato spots, brown patches as well as early and late tomato blight. From that EXTOXNET site I see words like WARNING and DANGER and I like fish, my eyes and my skin. There is no waiting period. The search feature is at the bottom of this page/. Compare Rotenone, accepted as organic by every orgainc certifying agency that I know of, with something synthetic, such as Daconil ( chlorothalonil). [For an explanation of the split between mainstream scientists using risk analysis and IARC using a hazard analysis, read the GLP FAQ here.]. As a doctor, I would think you would know to always drink in moderation. Based on the type of fungal infection and the stage of the infection, there are two main types of fungicide. People remember Vioxx being withdrawn but how many people paid attention to the warnings put out about Advil saying prolonged use is dangerous? 2. [2] Chlorothalonil-containing products are sold under the names Bravo, Echo, and Daconil. stream They are used for controlling fungal infections, damaged plants, and especially rust, This is a great fungicide that is very good for. Especially lime sulphur ones pre-re-sulphuring. Diseased shrubs may be sprayed with Daconil (chlorothalonil) beginning when new leaves first appear in spring until early June. I never have to shake my plants to polinate them, they do it all by themselves. endobj Copper has been known to kill tomato plants if placed directly into the stem or base, but placing copper wire around the wound may not have the same effect. I appreciate your recommendation that we do our own research and determine for ourselves the level of risk.But when one official estimate is 100,000 times another, I am at a loss. Before you get started, you'll need to decide what type of vegetables you want to grow. endobj endstream endobj Garden Tech Daconil Fungicide Concentrateshould be used within 24 hours of mixing. Follow label direction for rates and safety. Carolyn, who knows that it can be difficult to properly interpret scientific data at such websites. Mulching and Watering /Contents 22 0 R>> Vince, there are many threads here about Daconil where you can read the links and comments made by others. GLP responds to ongoing false allegations from US Right to Know / Organic Consumers Association / SourceWatch / Baum Hedlund / Church of Scientology, declared the popular synthetic pesticide glyphosate, crisis and a potential split in the winemaking community, Anti-vaxxers based their rejectionism on a study claiming COVID shots caused excessive deaths. And please do remember that there already is a Forum here at GW on all things organic ( natural). Actually there are no days to harvest interval re harvest. Hope all you unlicensed guy read this post. 27 0 obj to control fungi that threaten vegetables, trees, small fruits, They are used for controlling fungal infections, damaged plants, and especially rust, blight, and mildew. But I'll pass on both thank u. x3R235W(*T0PR0T(Y@@QC= P AJ 14VpW Actual quote:"risks for exposure to captan were reported to be 474 excess cancers per million" "chlorothalonil (237 vs. 0.0024)". endobj "75,rJrW9cDx}n"%.)%WSwbCNwd/=x:(PvXW2=nbY7+B^"PEIk5*]o:N6u^+]6qjXL#rrs])RN$Yk8P9_~ 8[IlDBdw#ft,07FKy?lA+R1s|0Fk*%sX`Ui_8^{'EUrYYxShb8-h_, Hq/")E/(=_6AS,^qexR"~bct+Fik|bS!vNUiO/krzMT*YabO+>RfjCg'g. Introduction: There are other websites far better suited to answer your question. <> Though I am starting off with a banner year, I am starting to see some problems again. Spray you're plants and enjoy a season long harvest of disease free product that will hold up on the windowsill weeks after harvest. The spots are round, brown, and can be as big as half an inch. per gallon of water. stream /Contents 12 0 R>> Now as you say the conditions of the study are not stated. 7 0 obj ] Thanks for the input. You have no idea how easily confused we can get (although my original garbled post gives you some idea). The information in this profile may be out-of-date. The WHO declared this product safe and it is not toxic at all. Amanda Gevens, Ken Cleveland and Lauren Thomas, UW Madison - Plant Pathology. Hey- I got the answer to all your problems. Many of the criticism of synthetic pesticides can also be leveled at copper sulfate. Do not apply to water or in areas where drift/runoff will cause contamination to any pond, lake or stream. Yes, tomatoes are safe after applied with Garden Tech Daconil Fungicide Concentrate. 42 of 55 people found this answer helpful. endstream Soil applications can result in groundwater contamination. What was considered safe a year ago is now a banned product. <> 18 of 19 people found this answer helpful. In organic applications, its used a lot. In most cases, insecticides like the Sevin Consentrateand fungicides like theGarden Tech Daconil Fungicide Concentrate can be applied together as long as the label instructions are followed correctly. Farmers now, that's a whole different story. A tomato or a liver not taxed by an unataural compound. 12 0 obj Chlorothalonil is classified as a General Use Pesticide (GUP) by Avoid applications when bees are foraging. It treats everything from leaf spots and rust to mildew, fruit rot and mold. Was having some beer last night and it seemed like a good idea at the time. One should not assume that all compounds that are natural ( I won't say organic since the technical definition of that would mean any compound with a carbon atom) have low toxicities. Human Health Assessment Toxicity Chlorothalonil is in acute Toxicity Category IV (the least toxic of four categories) for the oral route of exposure, and in Toxicity Category II for the inhalation route. It is classified as The maintain reason it is on its way out is because it causes cancer big time. -------. x3R235W(*T0PR0T(Y@@QC= P AJ 1RpW Why Does My Pomegranate Have Flowers But No Fruit? x3R235W(*T0PR0T(Y@@QC= P AJ 14PpW 26 0 obj Apart from tomatoes, you can use it for other plants as well. <> endobj Chlorothalonil (2,4,5,6-tetrachloroisophthalonitrile) is an organic biocide with very low toxicity to mammals, broad activity against decay fungi and insects, relatively low cost, and good stability and leach resistance in wood. If you dpn't like it- DON'T USE IT! Reference List Number 6. You need to dilute the mixture with water and add it to tank spray. Carolyn, who prefers to put things into perspective if she can. A French startup has engineered houseplants that scrub toxins from the air. If you don't find a fact sheet related to Your Tomatoes need more care and attention than routine management of water, temperature, and nutrients,, Tomatoes, as popular as their reputation is, are consumed in various ways; salads, eastern and, Cherokee Purple tomato is an indeterminate, heirloom variety of tomato plants that are said to, Indeterminate tomatoes keep developing and produce fruit during the growing season and are commonly referred, Grape tomatoes are the cutest form of tomato in the world! My organic garden is light years better than it was back in my chem days. <> and from the Serenade label:If inhaled: Move person to fresh air. There is no wait time after the product is applied near or on them to harvest. x3R235W(*T0PR0T(Y@@QC= P AJ 1TpW Garden Tech Daconil Fungicide Concentrate should only be applied directly to fruit, vegetables, trees and ornamentals. Daconil. 33 0 obj Apart from the liquid form, you can also get solid fungicides, but they are usually very toxic. Myclobutanil is less toxic to humans than is caffeine--it is safe to use. With the testing available thus far, I will not hesitate to use Daconil sparingly, after a problem has arisen (and quite honestly, this is rare for me, and only on ornamentals; I don't have a lot of vegetable plantings at this time). According to a 2012 study published in the Ecology Letters, the fungicide chlorothalonil -- the most commonly used synthetic fungicide in the United States -- is toxic for aquatic animals such. 29 0 obj Pythium arrived on some streps I recently bought, and I found Immunox indeed ineffective against it. ORAL LD50:This product is practically nontoxic if ingested. Thanks for the input. Answer last updated on: 06/27/2017 Was this answer helpful to you? They are usually round and if the infection gets worse, you will see that leaves will turn brown, and they will fall off eventually. (Exotherm Termil), and DANGER (Bravo W-75, Daconil W-75). I agree that everyone should choose what works best for their situ but it would be nice if we didn't have to buy chemicals and instead could use stuff from the backyard. 11 0 obj Simply look at the product info for daconil and you will see lots of "not knowns" or "not tested" for several health effects catagories. Daconil can be used up to the DAY of harvest which tells you a lot right there. <> 246 of 262 people found this answer helpful. <> <> It is toxic, so you need to wear a protective mask and gloves. Thanks for the info. U$Z^7;/+0u&zu+04-kJu%#_{@nIt;d,CE`q xtI You would spray every 3-4 weeks until dry weather returns. fosetyl aluminum. EPA FIFRA toxicity category - II. ;~| e$D,S&O#DBJa>/'ow%S"LPTQyXGHY'f5}s?~J998p8Va-K1p"d=?+}Ohl?O`v~,!wr#Jd #SMFPl=d>{Yo7CE/U >`1IPdKGa=dABG8^ *G|DwuLB 4*OGFG?>Zo;J}>Y6"]1f#np xW]SHdAlzM{R:0V>|"W>FyD:. It just covers the receptor points on tomato leaves so fungus spores can't enter. Threads on topics such as this tend to get divisive and often turn nasty b'c there are so many differeng opinions that can be found online. Chlorothalonil containing products have a range Wear full sleeves, protect your eyes, wear gloves as well as wear a mask. My advice to those here who recommend certain pesticides is not to offer them (recommendations)as blanket statements or to insinuate that they are being offered as some kind of proof or that the person is an authority on the particular pesticide. Mulching is an effective way to keep the root zone cool and moist, while watering more frequently will also help keep the plant from getting too dry. Downy mildew, anthracnose, fungal leaf spots, shot-hole, rusts, scab, and powdery mildew on <> stream That's it. Daconil isn't a poison, folks. 9YDs![ uox-Z^YW04yo2p+ It can also cure rust of tomato, tomato scab, early and late tomato blight as well as black tomato spots. It is one copper atom bound to one sulfur and four oxygen atoms (the sulfur and four oxygens make the sulfate part). Why are there no long-term GMO safety studies or studies on humans? When there was a chemical spill in the lab we always rushed to the MSDS sheets for advice. Leaves will wilt and the plant might collapse. Tomatoes are pretty easy to grow and take care of. /Contents 16 0 R>> Extoxnet is a collaboration of several well-respected universities (and certainly not corporate whores), synthesizing all of the available objective testing of these various chemicals. Apart from tomatoes, you can also use this fungicide for other plants such as roses, nuts, herbs, shrubs, vegetables, and turf. Chlorothalonil produces severe eye Q.1zHF/-19~~JE+x1+N_@,}pgsMsL"aDvR[TXjjM90n(,(%#% m:( zQ% -" %Y('WXQ*@ JZivs hx*8_S[1 >1r/j|r)VF>/J>E1pBcC"A&s|k1HehLq9 compound can be found in formulations with many other pesticide I can't understand why we would even discuss this.I think it's funny to sit back and watch people argue over which is the safest poison to consume.I don't need chemical companies to help me grow food, neither do you!Tom. How does this natural pesticide compare in toxicity to synthetic or other natural chemicals commonly used by conventional farmers? endstream Science regulatory organizations that measure risk, which takes into account exposure, have consistently and universally found that glyphosate poses no identifiable health danger to workers or consumers if used as recommended. In today's litigious society I would be careful about what I am recommending. 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