Anyone who comments and videos how great their life is and posts it means its really terrible and they just need validation from people they realky don3even know. Its probably through Longmont that Watts got his Ford Super Duty truck. I dont think Shanann was taking her to a Ford dealership. I can be pretty severely challenged with ALOT of things in life . What would she be doing there? So we three here never got to say good-bye to our family or see them. He didnt know what to do and was shaking. It was the owner/driver of the smaller grey truck = it was NK or whoever drove and parked her truck there. Not exactly the most Thrivin part of town is it? It appears to be a 2012 model; it would have been new around the time he started working there. It was not manipulated or digitally edited, but given that the show was popular and heavily advertised at that time, it was not as remarkable as a coincidence as it may appear at first blush. Ill look for that answer and others in your books if I can figure out how they work! It's probably through Longmont that Watts got his Ford Super Duty truck. She said he was telling people he has to go to work and that just doesnt seem right. Instead of playing devils advocate, Im gonna play JUROR, and weigh all the circumstantial evidence, because at this moment, Im living in this amazing, perfect, fantastic, dream world, where Nichol Kessinger is on trial for accessory to murder in this case. The voluminous police reports provide some photos from the crime scene and elsewhere. Luxury vehicles. Chris WattscommuteGreg AloreInternet SalesLongmont FordMechanicwitnesses. Its possible by the time Bella was born in December 2013, after just over a year at the dealership, Shanann started flirting with the idea of being a stay-at-home mom. Bette saw the same grey truck still parked at the house at around noon. Firstly, full disclosure - I'm not familiar with the door bell camera, in fact, I'm severely electronically challenged. We know from the bankruptcy filing that she was pregnant with her second child by then and intended working fewer hours. They went to her house and observed her car in the garage. The funny thing is, I think younger people have cameras more often so its popular between 30 and up too. The first day we hung out in the park together, I knew I was addicted. Two counts of first-degree murder where the victim was under age 12 and the killer was in a position of trust for the deaths of Bella and Celeste. I just made my if/then inferences, weighed the circumstantial evidence, and have decided on my vote: Wouldnt the owner of the grey truck have been seen on both Nates cam and the Watts ring doorbell when they left? At that juncture, following a National Geographic logo, the screen begins displaying the imagery described in the Facebook post a fetus, a skull, and oil: Watts clearly noticed the series of images, because at 48:52, he says: Shes pregnant as well thats why her friend said its low blood sugar. Shanann's phone showed a Vivint alert stating 1242 hours for the garage door open.. That seems to be the key to unlocking the mystery, however anyone defines what the mystery is to themselves. I fact check as much as I possibly can in situations like this, not because I am proving anything to anyone, but its because when i see things in cases like this it really bothers me so I do it for the sake of my own sanity. YOUTUBE. In discussions about theAmerican Murder ghost video, separate discussion about the fetus/skull/oil portion occasionally occurred, but the two segments were largely related by chronology. I do have a question that I've no doubt one of you highly intelligent (seriously!) Im still bitter about it. Theres the baby in the womb & then the womb turns into a black heart ,an explosion at a piece of land eerily similar to where he submerge his daughters into the cruelest conditions ,then a woman & man lay dying in a shallow grave & then a skull in thick black oil. Bella and Celeste were thrown away, the prosecutor said adding that investigators found scratch marks on one of the girls bodies and tufts of hair on the opening to one of the oil tanks, the television station reported. They also contain elaborate details about what police found when they got there. Welcome to the Post Truth Phase of the Chris Watts Case, Exclusive Interview with the Lindstrom Couple, Proof The Third Baby Was All Chris Watts Idea, The Final Three Weeks of the Phone Data Review #2YearsAgoTodayCW. She noted his behavior was weird and out of the ordinary.. Toward the end of the month, while he was away in North Carolina, he phoned Kessinger with the news his divorce had been finalized and he was moving to an apartment. They are at Chris neighbors, as they had a security camera and are trying to see if there is anything suspicious (he was claiming to not know where they were at the time). Family and friends of the couple say they had a perfect marriage and their daughters were the light of their lives. Nickole Atkinson and Nick were not at the house at 12:42 pm and could not have triggered the garage door open alert Someone else must have triggered the alarm. Jennifer and Sarah Hart killed themselves and murdered their six adopted children in 2018 by driving their SUV off a cliff in California. Both my kids were blue and they were gone. CHRIS Watts' family home, where he savagely murdered his pregnant wife Shanann, has finally sold four years on, The U.S. Sun can exclusively reveal. Continue with Recommended Cookies. A popular Facebook post noted that Chris Watts stood next to the TV while the police questioned him, and a fetus, then a skull floating in oil eerily, organically appeared on broadcast television. The girls, whod been smothered by Watts bare hands, were found stuffed in oil tanks, while Shanann, whod been strangled, was buried in shallow grave. Tell the world, especially the misinformed idiots who think Chris Watts is an attractive man and Shannan was controlling. He said Shanann said she was going to a friends house with their two kids. The entire Watts family didn't want the public to know the truth. Crazy coincidence? Chris Watts, at left, with Nicole Kessinger. The perfect family. I didnt know what else to do. Think about it she was already living in a big glorified house when she met Chris. Theres video Shanann Watts shot the day she told Chris Watts she was pregnant with the couples third child, a boy they had planned to call Nico. This week we discuss one of 2018s most talked about cases. On top of that, Watts had hidden the bodies of the two children in separate oil tanks at a job site before burying his wifes remains in a shallow grave nearby: [Watts] strangled Celeste first, wrapping her head with a blue Yankees blanket and covering her mouth and nose with his hands through the fabric. We also know Watts threw his clothing into a dumpster on Black Mesa on his way home from CERVI 319 at midday on Monday. Theres no way this is just a coincidence. No the post is simply saying the red flags were there. In the lead up to the tragic murders, Watts had taken his daughters to a birthday party on the afternoon of Sunday, August 12. Doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different outcome. Shannan wasnt answering phone calls or text and missed her doctors appointment. This whole theory makes no sense in my opinion. This is the first time Ive heard of this. Ive seen other points lending to this theory- that she was in the basement. We have an average neighborhood and you should see the 50 and crowd line up to post surveillance on nextdoor.com lol I am not even kidding. Sorry, this post was deleted by the person who originally posted it. I dont own a kindle and have never purchased a download before! Give up his job with Anadarko-and his extracurricular activities-start over again. Right at the moment in the video where he said something like, I am not a monster, i did not kill (or He may have said hurt) my babies. that all the hair on my body stood up, I felt a cold electric chill run through me and I saw what i saw.i believed him 100% that he wasnt the one that killed them (neither was Shanann). @nickvdl and intention comes from a solid identity. I keep pondering these words. Before Watts was sentenced, he pleaded guilty. Scg Supercar Garage. Until, out of the blue, the adoring, reliable husband and father suddenly morphed into a monster. As soon as Watts disappears through the doorway and is out of earshot,Trinastich says of Watts: Hes not acting right at all. I have parents who put a big emphasis on reading but defined books as something that must be held, smelled, touched, savored, and ultimately shelved to be appreciated! Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. Though other records suggested he wasnt happy about being a father again, he grinned broadly in the footage as he learned the news. The notes, texts, calls, and romantic dates convinced Kessinger that Chris was a good person. She hurt my kids., Chris said, Theyre in a freakin oil tank. It appears to be a 2012 model; it would have been new around the time he started working there. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. He was in the basement? Watts had just failed a polygraph test at the police station when he asked to speak with his father who was in the waiting room. It got to a point that he was telling me so many lies that I eventually told him that I did not want to speak to him again until his family was found.. They had everything going for them. Harrowing moment medics rush to save Jeremy Renner's life after he was crushed by 14,000lb snow plow - as actor is seen sprawled on the ground in a pool of his own blood and with 35 broken bones 19th Judicial District Attorney Michael Rourke said that Watts totally and deliberately ended four lives, smothering the girls. Kessinger said while their relationship may have 'accelerated the process', she believed Watts would have committed the murders if she was around or not. WHAT:. He then went into a rage, he claimed, and strangled her to death in retaliation. Just after the 45-minute mark, Chris Watts and a police officer enter the home of neighborNate Trinastich, whose Ring camera footage captured activity outside the Watts home on the morning Watts and her children were reported missing. Trinastich then replays some of the clips, disclosing to the officer that he believed Watts movements on the morning of August 13 2020 were suspicious. 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Police reportsThe oil drums where the bodies were found. The comments below have not been moderated, By He may have murdered dozens of women in Los Angeles over two decades. The consent submitted will only be used for data processing originating from this website. We have a lot of firsts together, Nikki, and I want to keep having them with you!!. I dont get the narcissistic vibe from him that everyone else does. The ground was visible disturbed. Body camera footage from police officers going door-to-door in the neighborhood, making phone calls, handing out flyers. In the Watts case we've already dealt with the doll thrown into trash can in the garage. Vivant? Before Chris was arrested for killing his wife, Shanann, 34; their two daughters, Bella, 4; and Celeste, 3; and unborn son, loved ones tried not to imagine the worst had happened after the mom and children vanished from the Watts family home in Frederick, Colorado. Source: Officer Coonrod's narrative, Discover Page 51 (document page 6). Anyone interested in the case would have a an interest in Watts identity. Please, LEAVE A COMMENT AND LET US KNOW WHAT YOU THINK! During the documentary (around 13 minutes) it shows Chris from a policemans body cam footage. What is shows is this, from 0:05-0:15 and it is honestly chilling. He said it was emotional but a civil conversation and they were not arguing. In order to escape the death penalty, Chris finally pleaded guilty to killing his family on November 6. Before his arrest, Watts spoke to local media, pleading for the safe return of his wife and kids. Christopher Watts /// Part 2 /// 270. Wow, where do I even start? He gets a better job and time to get another big house they can ill afford. Christopher Watts /// Part 2 /// 270Part 2 of 2 www.TrueCrimeGarage.com The perfect family. TUCSON, AZ Salvador R. Blancas, 29, was arrested on suspicion of shooting and killing Christopher V. Romero, 29, early Wednesday morning. This sub is for factual information, mourning, and speculative discussion only - no harassment of the victims or family members. Even if she or someone who she knows has access to a grey truck, there is no evidence that that truck would be connected to a random grey truck observed at the crime scene. Prosecutors posit Watts after backing the truck into the garage likely placed the three bodies in the bed before driving them to the oil work site. It was later revealed that he was actually on a date with his mistress, Nichol Kessinger. Great post! I went to his house and Shanaan cooked us all dinner and we watched Avatar on Blu-Ray on his giant flat screen TV. I very much agree with your premise Cheryl, that she couldnt fully face life. This was the last time she was seen alive. Chris Watts initially told police that hed left for work early that morning while his wife and daughters were sleeping. Discovery, Inc. or its subsidiaries and affiliates. The first day I saw you, you took my breath away. KUSA - Chris Watts tried to convince two of his wife's best friends not to go to the police after they grew concerned about the pregnant woman and the couple's daughters on the afternoon of. When comments were sorted by Most Recent, the majority noted they sought out the advertisement after watchingAmerican Murder on Netflix: In the second-to-last comment above, a commenter wrote: OMG If youre here from American Murder: the family next door documentary then you will understand how creepy it is that the first 15 seconds of this just happened to be playing while he was standing beside the TV claiming to have no idea where his wife is. Its terrifying not knowing what people are capable of. Trinastich then highlights segments of the video that appear questionable to him, describing how Watts actions differed from the norm. In the early hours of August 13, 2018, in Frederick, Colorado, American oil field operator Christopher Lee Watts (born May 16, 1985) [1] murdered his pregnant wife Shanann (34) by strangulation, and their two children Bella (4) and Celeste (3) by smothering them. When he returns to his bedroom, that's when he sees Celeste's being murdered. And just as an aside, I've often thought that if Watts put his children in containers and then into . I've experienced delays up to a whole day as well as up to an hour delay more than once. He noted that both girls were eager to see their mother, who was due to return home later that night. And seriously, what were his extracurricular activities? Contact 9NEWS reporter Kevin Vaughan with tips about this or any story: kevin.vaughan@9news.com or 303-871-1862. Chris Watts admitted he shoved the bodies of his girls through those hatches. Yes! While the footage is loading on the TV, it cuts back to regular programming for 10 seconds. Why would she be hanging around there at 12:42, long after CW had left for Cervi at 5:30? They had everything going for them. But nothing in all the records made public so far explains why Chris Watts apparently concluded that murdering his family was the only way out. If youre out there, just come back. In early July, she and Chris began their physical relationship. The Lexus was usually parked inside the garage while Chris Watts' truck was invariably outside [the vehicular equivalent of him not sleeping in his own bed, but in the basement]. She was wearing a black or gray t-shirt and blue underwear. View Chris Watts' profile on LinkedIn, the world's largest professional community. Chris went to an oil well job site to check out it. SERIOUSLY, what are the chances that in the 10 seconds it took for the camera to load that THIS is what it shows. But authorities learned he was having an affair with co-worker Nichol Kessinger and killed his family in the hopes of having a new start with his mistress. Shanann was strangled and the children were smothered. Three days after the murders, on August 16, police discovered Shananns body in a shallow grave and the girls stuffed inside nearby oil tanks on the grounds of Wattss former employer, Anadarko Petroleum. Chris is still a puzzle, isnt heand probably one to himself. Well, we know the truth about their evil son and we know about Shannan. The Frederick Police Department headed to the Watts house to investigate. Chris Watts Mistress Breaks Silence About Affair with Triple-Murderer: He Lied About Everything, Shanann Watts Confronted Chris Multiple Times About Suspicions of Affair Before He Murdered Her. Days later, authorities found his wife's body in a shallowgrave on an oil and gas work site and the girls were found dumped in oil tanks nearby. Could that alert sent at 12:42 have been delayed and the REAL time the door was opened was earlier when Nickole and her son were still there? Watts' work truck was outside during a hailstorm, one Shan'ann filmed, while "her" vehicle was in the garage. Your energy is so insane, he wrote in a birthday card to her. Daddy, no! were the last words she said before dying, words he still hears whenever he shuts his eyes, Watts told investigators. I looked around for examples of Vivint mobile interface. Nickole called Christopher Watts and requested he come home and check on Shanann. The Chris Watts murders are horrific. These humble work stations, and the patch selling deal in 2017 and midway through 2018, really puts into perspective just how far they were living beyond their means in that massive house on Saratoga Trail. My daughter completed what needed done and went with the screen name I'd picked earlier out of frustration, hence, my screen name "Knows Nothing" lol. I tried EVERYTHING! Many said they cried; while I am usually a big cryer, I have just felt sick for days instead. What do YOU see? Contact 9NEWS reporter Kevin . Bring us the organized tables back! Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. The babysitter said that while watching the girls, Shannan called at 7.50pm to check on the children while she was away and later posted a photo. But when Chris family disappeared on August 13, she revealed, they texted back and forth throughout the day, and he fed her the same excuse he initially would try to pass off to police: His wife took the kids and went to a friends house for a play date. After Celeste stopped breathing, he dumped her body into an oil tank, feet first, locked the hatch, and walked back to his truck. According to Watts, be believed his vehicle had . He said they had been talking about separating for a few weeks. He admitted to assuring his daughter that she would see her mother in the morning. Chris Watts, the Colorado man who murdered his pregnant wife and two young daughters, turns 35 on Saturday and is becoming resigned to the fact . Shanann was wrapped in a sheet. or An American Horror Story was published more than a year and a half before Netflix premieredAmerican Murder. They promoted a healthy lifestyle brand and enjoyed fulfilling careers. In the footage, Chris can be seen at his neighbors house, where the neighbor is showing him and the officer surveillance video captured early the morning Shanann and the girls disappeared. Thats pretty sad, isnt it? He then spent a normal day at work and frequently texted his girlfriend, even as police began investigating his family's disappearance. Chris Watts admitted he shoved the bodies of his girls through those hatches. In the footage, which was obtained by PEOPLE but was edited below by CBS Denver, Watts can be seen loading a gas can into the bed of his truck. 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