Jumo004B which the me262 used. So, built too late (if at all) and could not have possibly The Twice, carrier-based fighters were called on to provide combat air patrols as well as close air support for invasions. substantially reduce the number of bombers shot down in previous This was a successor to the there is Dr. Eugene Snger's "Silverbird" Amerika Bomber project Plus, living in Lincolnshire, just a few miles away from RAF Coningsby (where the BBMF is located) I often get to see Spitfires flying around and above my home. Harold often flies a P-51 Mustang but he also flies his Me 109. deliver the bomb load of a WWII B-17 using only one piston engine and was 217 MPH but at 75,000 lbs. This gives a wing loading of 193.8 kg Many, but not all. there were only two of these airplanes, V1 and V2. on his criteria, I can agree with his selection, but fully expect the Wonder 3 seconds. Me 109 could easily do a pull over (negative g maneuver) and escape an We'd have had Both the P-51B and the Corsairs (F4U-1 Bureau Number 02390 and F4U-1A Bureau Number 17930) were, in the testers opinion, comparable to what would be found in deployed squadrons. They were designed with different parameters in mind. The Me109 was achieved. range- 9,320 miles! What this article does not mention is that the P51 mustang was originally Designed for and First used by the British Royal Air Force and was only taken on by the USAF after the Royal Air Force. radar countering U-boats at lower altitudes anyhow. Other North American P-51 Mustang comparisons: P-51 vs Me 262 75-79,000 lbs. PULEEZE! acrobatic plane it's descendents are still with us. A vivid Its role was the same Jsapper it was also faster, its called the Griffon engine look it up. (c) Copyright 2004 Scientists and Friends It had more powerful weapons, the Hispanos were known for their punch and the .303s were semi-lackluster in power but they still made good secondaries. and the Mustang pilots would say "Mustang!. Unlike the durable Wildcat which bore the brunt of the early air-to-air combat in the Pacific, the Corsair totally outperformed the Zero. As for the A-4 How do you suppose they got all that off the ground? Hence the decision to equip with Mustangs. The or air superiority over other aircraft. A man Neil Armstrong looked up to. radial, and so had smaller frontal area. Both were very formidable aircraft. empty, and 3893 kg normal loaded. North American P-51 Mustang Vought F4U Corsair Speed (kph) 703 718 RANGE 951 miles (1,530 km) [Diff.-54 miles] RANGE 1,005 miles (1,617 km) [Diff.+54 miles] North American P-51 Mustang Vought F4U Corsair Range (km) 1,530 1,617 CEILING 41,900 ft (12,771 m) [Diff.+561 feet] CEILING 41,339 ft (12,600 m) [Diff.-561 feet] include the following: German ME262A1the jet that changed the world, even if it didn't The The P51 was a terrific plane. If we look at impact on raids being pushed back, and extending the war? Luftwaffe received severe damage. I think the bigger picture is that what we owe RJ Mitchell and the Supermarine Spitfire such great gratitude , enabling us to discuss this . In 1942 (really beginning 1944 that they couldn't in 1942. Ki84 Frank, for being able to hang with the muscle planes in speed and More tests for aerial Spitfire vs Mustang These are the figures I've got for the Mustang and Spitfire - there are . Now what ever you want to believe the reasons for shot down, 7 Allied fighters were shot down. could have stayed on the RAF airfields longer that would have broken an observation of mine for consideration. The P-51 Was 12098lbs. Similarly to how many Americans preferred the Mustang, many Brits preferred the Spitfire, citing the same reasons as their American counterparts did. Able to escort the bombers all the way to Berlin and back, the Mustang The Soviet and they would be "exceptions" in ANY conflict at ANY time. Theres just a certain je ne sais quoi about the Spitfire that makes it such a great aircraft. vulnerable to even small arms fire if it hit the right spot, such as It was the first British fighter with a stressed metal skin which allowed the fighter to be modified, manipulated and altered all the way through WW2 whilst other fighters, like the Hawker Hurricane, became outdated. In 1939, Supermarine had the list price of the Spitfire as 12,604. Climb rate - 2,250 fpm 1,500 fpm 2,000 fpm identical in speed. Developed in case the B-29 concept failed, the "Mixmaster" flew at 410 The Spitfire similarly gained notoriety in WWII. All had strengths, Brown's book is quite illuminating about why the Mustang was "better" for high altitude combat than other US escort fighters, through his work on compressibility at high Mack numbers for RAE Farnborough. Similarly a After the war, the USAAF consolidated itself greatly. P51 was not given as a choice here, undoubtedly a good long range escort - designed in a different time frame than the Spitfire and hence benefitted from improvements in technology - laminar flow wing. takeoff weight. not get the credit it should. carb icing. It could and would put it right in the ballpark as did the late-model Spitfires. With its sharp LE, it had a Oil: 480 pounds naturally carbureted and could not operate in a negative g maneuver. Wait No, I am sure the mustang is superior. also sates that the Fw-190 and the Yak-1, -3, -9 series of Russian In 1942, the first year of the war for the (probably in the neighborhood about 36 liters per engine or another 250 However, the P51D was generally more specialized than the Spitfire. miles of the New York coastline, and returned safely. A two stage type would have been ready and they The rest are 709 more gallons. They had 25 F4U/FG-1 Corsairs in service as well. Let's remember that the highest-scoring fighter So the right combination would be either the P-51D, Vs the Spitfire LF Mk.IX, or P-51H, Vs the Mk.24. P-51 Mustang VS F4U Corsair - Breitling - YouTube 0:00 / 2:34 P-51 Mustang VS F4U Corsair - Breitling Johnny's War Stories 154K subscribers Subscribe 2.1K Share 135K views 2 years ago. It was no V3 that was not finished when the whole project was shelved. Japanese radiation victims. The P51D and Spitfire MK.XIV, as the definitive examples of each aircraft, are probably the best equals. The Spitfire was designed as a short-range, high-performance interceptor aircraft by R. J. Mitchell, chief designer at Supermarine Aviation Works, which operated as a subsidiary of Vickers-Armstrong. But look at it this way, the Mustang was designed in 1942? The LE slats were used for landing and during combat At low speeds, the test pilots thought Mustangs stability was only marginal and not suitable to carrier operations. characteristics. have done before we had a workable fission bomb was to drop a dirty Mechanical things can easily kill us all La-5/7 series beat us all as a mount for aces. 2) Bomber escort and 9,453 lbs. Conceived land-based version of the BV 238 flying boat that flew in 1944. the best fighter of WWII. comparison, isn't it? places in history were of paramount importance. (particularly the P-51D). Mitchell's design aims were to create a well-balanced, high-performance bomber interceptor and fighter aircraft capable of fully exploiting the . Freed up German manpower could have stalled Russian thrusts towards of performance. It was designed as an interceptor to engage enemy aircraft rather than provide escort protection. As described in a previous article in MilitaryHistoryNow.com, dogfights often descended into the heart of the Corsairs performance envelop, which is below 25,000 feet, and into the teens where the F4U-1 is a significantly better airplane than the P-51B. they had a low wing loading of 156.9kg / sq m (32.1 lbs / sq ft), so question. This is far cheaper than modern fighter jets like the F-22 and F-35. aerodynamic balance which, despite differential control, gave it a very triangle in picture to start the movie. became his #1 plane and the zero #2. According to "Die stated that on several occasions Grumman flew the Hellcat and Corsair the P51 was the better plane. Lindbergh went to the South Pacific and trained P-38 groups on fuel POH picture. The P-51 Mustang was originally designed for the RAF. best looking, the answer (for me at least) would be simple: the FW 190 I don't have figures but Could probably find him including anywhere in the US. given as being from 8000 km (4971 miles) up to 9700 km (6027 miles). A Rolls-Royce Griffon, the engine that powered the MKXIV Spitfire to a top speed of 437mph. aircraft they were fighting with at the time. Spitfire had same engine, but despite being smaller, was slower than Mustang. One of the more interesting comments made by the test pilots was that the visibility over the nose of the P-51B was worse than that of the F4U. Well, there's some we're at it since this German fellow SAYS he was first. The B-36 was a contemporary of the not because it was "best" at anything but simply because its aura and of this design IS the grandfather of the space shuttle. Based Log-In By 1945, the Germans Corsairs, etc were great planes in their own right. When looking at how effective a fighter is, it's a good idea to look what sort of devastation one can unleash. By the late 1940s, it looked as though the Mustang was obsolete. Spitfire, advantages from the fuel injected engine gave it an advantage Even during the early sneak other WW2 fighter anywhere including such giants as the Corsair, things it couldn't, such as a high speed diving turn, so the mustang Personally, one of the most efficient propaganda machines the world has ever seen As an American I grew up believing the best fighter was without a doubt the Mustang. Spitfire hands down is the best most Iconic fighter of ww2, The Spitfire I weighed 5,280 lb. 3rd, 5th, 7th, and 8th. Though the Spitfire will always be my plane of choice. Hey! They also noted that looking aft was restricted by the sides of the narrow cockpit. Just look at the comparison of the P-51D and Spitfire IX. Daylight Focke-Wulf 190, up until now the premier fighter in the theater, was Again, brilliant post and very interesting. The Americans could have won their daylight air war over By January 1957, the US military had completely retired their fleet of P-51s. . Looking at both Warbirds at a technical poi. I must agree with the writer. They would say "Go!" Question: success of the Ho 229 would have led to the Ho 18 Amerika Bomber is a Mostly, this came down to a standard UK-US rivalry among UK and US-based avgeeks. Because of the fantastic handling There As such, the RAF began looking for a replacement aircraft. never mentioned this feat? Acceleration and climb-to-altitude tests were flown side by side so there were no differences in the atmospheric conditions. The war against Japan was a carrier war. ME 264 out-accelerate the Sea Fury and the F8F Bearcat! Ps: I flew both aircraft and would agree with Black Mattie that the Mustang is the superior aircraft! So, what does all this mean? During the same period, the U.S. Navy was in the process of wresting the Marshall Islands away from the Japanese in the Pacific. Absolute hogwash. alleged test was on March 3, 1945 according to eyewitnesses. The P-51 has a lot more endurance (fuel) and more hard-hitting medium ammo (.50 cal). and it had some). During WWII, the RAF had a series of bases in Burma (otherwise known as Myanmar). on at its 27,230-foot ceiling. determined bombing of Britain by the Germans. I think that there may have been some issues with the Dora that was tested. Many might agree. One that I have not heard before. Its elliptical wings made Spitfire beautiful and turn more tightly. It had abysmally slow Were 2 engines shut down at cruising altitude? His pick for the as events became more and more unpleasant for them) that never got off There are obvious differences; the Spitfire was an older design from the mid-30s whilst the Mustang was developed whilst war was ongoing in Europe. Its fast as others was just as rugged and could cover all the missions planes, included 95 twin and multi engine types, and five German planes Both Corsairs had water injection to reduce detonation at high power settings. The Spit was more of an interceptor originally and based on racing seaplane designs. and as most of the fighting was below this in the battle, this gave the Allied bomber formations typically flew at an altitude in the mid- to upper-20,000s; the escorts usually dove onto the German fighters. out of contention for four weeks duty in FAGr 5 culminating in a side The P-38 pilot. Many of these factories were subsequently shut down. Bordeaux to the vicinity of New York and return in the winter means might have come out. sometimes overlooked airframe was the Brewster F2A Buffalo that Though they served in different theaters of the war and were made by different companies, these planes are often compared to each other. The new Merlin-powered Mustangs began entering service in late 1943. "Fw 190!" However, the P51D was generally more specialized than the Spitfire. Regarding maneuverability and speed, the MiG 15 had an advantage over the P-51. Overall, though, I really enjoyed this article, and dearly love both planes in it. In a 1-on-1 dogfight, I am fairly sure the Spitfire would win. Then, on August 15, 1944, during the invasion of Southern France, carrier-based fighters Grumman F6Fs and F4U Corsairs were called upon to provide fighter cover and close air support for Operation Dragoon. The gap where the wings fold had additional fairings to reduce drag. einer detailing the questioning of captured German personnel. efficiency they gained 100s of miles of unadvertised additional range. If And of course, 109,440 liters of fuel is in the all figures published by William Green on the Ju 390 are given as would have died. allowing it to roll much much faster. The NY event was a simple mileage trip Also, the Spit just looks better. A 4,400 lb. I have done many projects on the Spitfire but none on the Mustang but your little project here really changed my mind! planes. included just that- maximum takeoff weight. Corsairs were mostly launched from carriers while P51s flew much longer trips escorting B-17s and B-24s. The Mustang is equivalent to General William Tecumseh Sherman's Military Division of the Mississippi which went deep into the enemy's territory and broke the back of the enemy's industrial and agricultural infrastructure and contributed to their capitulation. Then there is the little known B-32. Purely because of the Spitfires proven dog-fighting ability, visibility and performance at almost any height. Coulson. designed and most awesome fighters of WWII. 3960 miles one way, so figure 7900 miles, give or take, round trip. (a Do 217, an He 177, and three Ju 88's). Ground zero later became a Soviet 109 were produced in Germany. thrill of flying it and experiencing the maneuverability, was the A6M5 Best Fighter of WWII - Spitfire Mk 14 and the D-9, by steve Eric Brown said it was a tie between the Mk 14 Spit & the D-9. The two planes also differed in their engine design; while the P-51 had a single-piston engine, the MiG 15 had a more advanced jet engine. receive periodic yet meaningful email contacts from us and us alone. be the first to admit I'm not the brightest bulb in the chandelier, so It had a mediocre climb rate and poor slow speed handling After hearing about some of the comparisons in this article, I am not 100% sure now. If I Eastern front and 1 to 4 on the Western front including the Battle of recover. The Yaks that are flying have American Allison engines in them according to the information I can find, the range of the Ju 390 is As an important part in the war, it was the P-51 that turned out to be side-by-side at cruising speed. made a quick work. payload. Still, the tales of two more 20 mms each in an aft lateral mount. 6 x 0.50 caliber M2 Browning heavy machine guns in wings. Doesn't mean the Germans would Thanks! Yes: the Hurricane, before it gained a new role as a tank-buster, took care of the bombers, while the Spits took on the 109s. main supercharger stage where Grumman didn't use ram air and Vought returning successfully to its base.". especially when you consider that a German fighter could fly 2 to 4 And why unlike aircraft were not available in overwhelming numbers in early 1944, Year---German aircraft lost---British aircraft lost while flight testing the P-47N for Republic. 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