F5MFG MP5 50 round drum mag . You must log in or register to reply here. When the supply of ammunition for the British safari guns began to dry up in the late 50s and early 60s, wildcatters took matters into their own hands. Rifle Recoil Table. If I were to choose a bolt-action .45-caliber dangerous game rifle, it would undoubtedly be a .458 Lott. When I was looking at getting a real Safari caliber the 404 Jeffrey was an option, but since I planned on using a milsurp Mauser action for the rifle I looked mainly at choices that wouldn't require extensive modification such as the 375 and 416 Taylor, 458 Win Mag, 376 Steyr, 375 Hawk Scovill, and 9.3x62. And when a client shows up in camp with a .404 Jeffery, you know this is someone who cares enough about said history and traditions to go to the immense trouble of building and loading a gun and cartridge long sacrificed to the gods of mass production and commercialism. If the placement is not right with either neither will the result be. To fit properly, a magnum-length receiver should be employed. Editor's Note: This article originally appeared in the May 2020 issue of Gun Digest the Magazine. of energy. The 2300 fps for the 450gr in .423 is realistic (according to my computer program). So, my reckoning is largely rooted in a love for the .45-70 to begin with, and then wanting one in a bolt action! Mag..375 H&H.375 Whelan Imp..378 Weatherby.375-.404 Express.404 Jeffery.405 Winchester.416-.284.416 Taylor.416 Rem. The 404 uses more powder, which I guess is due to larger case capacity, and since velocities are similar, I suppose the 404 runs at lower pressure. However, the .416 Taylor (developed in the 1970s by Bob Chatfield-Taylor) will come close to the Rigby benchmark, driving a 400-grain bullet to 2,350 fps. My first rifle was an original 404 by W.J. An insurgence in India resulted in the British Empire banning all .45-caliber ammunition in the early 1900s, so as a result, gun makers needed to replicate the ballistics of the dangerous-game-proven .450 Nitro Express, yet in a different bore diameter. However, Ive become enamored of the .404 Jeffery. spectrum of usefulness=1 (due to very limited bullets & rifles). With premium bullets, the .416 Weatherby will certainly handle any game that walks the Earth. Couple that with the huge frontal diameter (.505-inch) and youve got an elephant stopper that isnt all that terrible on the shoulder. Starting with the least potent of the lot, the .405 Winchester is a straight-walled cartridge released in the Model 1895 Winchester lever-action rifle. Everyone should own one at least once. The case volume is a direct result of the volatility of cordite in the African and Indian heat in order to keep pressures low. Using a rimless case of similar design, but changing the bullet diameter from .411" to .423", the .404 Jeffery was born. of energy. Most of the information in circulation regarding suitable cartridges is advertising and hype. The 404 uses more powder, which I guess is due to larger case capacity, and since velocities are similar, I suppose the 404 runs at lower pressure. which was positioned as the equivalent of the .470 Nitro Express, namely a 500 grain slug at 2,150 feet per second (fps).. Get the 76th edition of the World's Greatest Gun Book. Some hunters (like Phil Massaro) also recommend dropping down to a 480 grain bullet with the .458 Win Mag. This fact, along with the many different versions made, makes the No. Ive seen its effects first-hand, and it is a true stopping rifle. Launching a 300-grain, .411-inch-diameter bullet at 2,200 fps for slightly more than 3,200 ft-lb of muzzle energy, the .405 Winchester is definitely light, especially in comparison to the .375 H&H with heavy bullets. Now the hunt is more important to me than the shot. 6,5 Creedmoor. Barnes shows (from a 26 barrel) about 2500 fps from their Banded. Like everyone, WDM Bell was a product of his times and to hunt the dangerous big game of Africa with such light caliber rifles would be illegal today. And my rifle cartridges, like myself, have become older & slower!marvquillen@aol.com. Mag. .30-06 Springfield vs. .270 Winchester6.5 Creedmoor vs. 7mm-08 Remington8x57 Mauser vs. .318 Westley Richards.358 Winchester vs. .350 Remington Magnum.22-250 Remington vs. .220 Swift.270 Winchester vs. .270 WSM.26 Nosler vs. 6.5-300 Weatherby Magnum.458 Win. Yes, the .404 is a gentleman of the old school and welcome in discerning company. Some feel that the initial loadings of the .404 Jefferythe 400-grain/2150 fps comboare a bit anemic, but for over a century it has worked and worked well. By the way, an asidepushed from the same case, with the same powder charge, a larger diameter bullet of the same weight will always yield more velocity. When a client shows up with a double rifle, you know you have an elitist for a customer, much like the guy coming down the charter boat dock at the marina carrying a fly rod, and you approach him with caution. This was also my thoughts as a younger man. 2 Jeffery, the .500/465 NE, and the .476 NE were othersthe .470 became the industry standard as a Professional Hunters stopping rifle. Certainly, it received a huge shot in the arm when Robert Ruark released Horn of the Hunter in 1953, immortalizing the cartridge in the hands of PH Harry Selby. Mag..458 . Should you try and handload your safari ammunition, youll find that there are only a handful of powders that will give you good velocity without having to be heavily compressed. Of course, no cartridge-rifle combo (based on our set of criteria) can achieve a perfect score. My own favorite handloads drive the 400-grain bullets at 2280 fps, mainly because thats where I found the best accuracy; my Heym Express .404 Jeffery will put three shots into 0.75-inch at 100 yards. Original loads were: a 400-gr. The best thing you can do to increase your hunting success is to understand the anatomy of your quarry and practice with your rifle until you can put your first shot exactly where it should go. of energy at the muzzle. Thats 92 ft-lbs of equal and opposite reaction from an 11-pound firearm! Among the diverse selection of Nitro Express cartridges that came along to replace the .450 NEthe .475 NE, the .475 No. (6989 ft-lbs). The .404 Jeffery is a rifle cartridge designed for hunting large, dangerous game animals, such as the "Big Five" (elephant, rhino, cape buffalo, lion and leopard) of Africa. In the same year Westley Richards introduced the .425 Westley Richards cartridge. Theres no word on pressure but I suspect its right up there with any modern rifle cartridge designed for Africas grumpiest! Bearing marked similarities to the earlier .350 Rigby Magnumthey share the same 45-degree shoulderthe .416 Rigby used a unique bore diameter and a case large enough to prevent extraction problems in the heat of Africa and India. Being a rimmed case, it doesnt translate well to a bolt-action gun, but in a single-shot or double its a true classic. over enough, then enjoy the small company of those who will rarely grant the happy opportunity for another to boast because they need all the attention they can buy in a super sport car or .500 Jeffery! Title Actor Character Notation Date; Deadfall (2012) Kris Kristofferson: Chet Mills: with a scope: 2012 Deadfall (2012) Eric Bana: Addison: with a scope . Another is that it is not straight walled so should feed more reliably and it has the runs on the board from local game rangers to PH's. But that's not to cast doubt with faint praise with today's powders and stronger rifles it is quite capable of impressive performance though nothing extraordinary. So which are the best dangerous game cartridges of all time? Maybe even more important the moderate velocity makes the . While our modern bullet construction has lessened that requirement, the premium bullets of traditional weight extend the performance of these cartridges. This means that the momentum of a rifle's reaction will exactly equal the momentum of the bullet and powder gasses ejected from the barrel. Their designation uses the smaller land (rather than groove or bullet) diameter. when I hold it right. Its as simple as that! I have a couple of problems with this article. Not surprisingly, as it uses heavy bullets with a moderate velocity resulting in a well-controlled expansion and a very good penetration - the time proven recipe of an efficient killer. Among the black bears, pronghorns, mountain goats and mule deer were eight typical and eight non-typical whitetails taken in nine different states. The Lott also has another really cool feature: Because the .458 Lott is nothing more (and nothing less) than an elongated .458 Winchester case, any .458 Lott rifle can and will shoot factory .458 Winchester Magnum ammunition without issue. And then there's the .404 Jeffery, a superb dangerous-game round. 44 Magnum 45-70 45-90 45 Long Colt 45-.120 Basic.450 Marlin.450 Nitro.450 Nitro 3 1/4.458 Win. The .458 Winchester Magnum Remember I told you that supplies of ammunition for the British cartridges dried up in the 50s? Ill spare you that endurance test! Using a .410-inch bullet, the classic .450-400 3-inch load consisted of a 400-grain bullet at 2,050 fps for 3,732 ft-lb of energy. In the beginning it was plagued with some manufacturing gremlins that resulted in some cases shipping from the factory with too little powder. If you find a PH who makes such instant, and largely invalid, assumptions about his client from the rifle that he has chosen, you might rightly assume that his experience, if any, was based on other such questionable observations. The beauty of the .375s is found in the wide selection of bullet weights (235 to 350 grains). Nobody claims it to be the most accurate fast .30, but it's been a favorite of mine for nearly 40 years. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. Based on my research, the 404 is a standard magnum action. The .404 Jeffery, an African workhorse that makes a great choice for dangerous game The .458s Now, we're getting into the realm of the true stopping rifles. Secondly, most of the factory loads are using a 500-grain pill and are struggling to get the velocity without generating really high pressures. The 404 Jeffery sired the majority of Nosler's cartridge line, namely the 30 Nosler, 26 Nosler, and 33 Nosler as well as other cartridges like the 7mm Remington Ultra Magnum (7mm RUM). To date, we've had a short overview of the following big-bore cartridges, and the machinery that fires them, in comparison to my favorite Big Bore, the .458 Winchester Magnum: .404 Jeffery; .416 Rigby; .500 NE; .458 Lott; .416 Weatherby Magnum; .505 Gibbs; .460 Weatherby Magnum and, last week, the .470 NE. The huge case was designed to give positive extraction to matter how hot the temperatures got (cordite, the common propellant in 1911, was extremely temperature sensitive), and the 400-grain soft points and solids, pushed at 2,400 fps, made for a great combination, and it still does today. John Rigby & Co. released the .450 Nitro Express in 1898, to improve the performance of the old .450 Black Powder Express by using modern, smokeless powder. Out of a collection, always stored in a gun stock, wasn't bought to bush bash with, only used at the rifle range. My next ( and last ) will be a .404 Jeffery. vs. .300 Win. all over Africa and North America, with stellar results. Mag. flanged cartridge shot in doubles, it succeeded admirably in bolt-action magazine rifles as a rimless cartridge. There have been many designs over the years. I would guess if comparing a 400gr bullet performance in both calibers that overall the .404J would perform better due to the better sectional density. To date, weve had a short overview of the following big-bore cartridges, and the machinery that fires them, in comparison to my favorite Big Bore, the .458 Winchester Magnum: .404 Jeffery; .416 Rigby; .500 NE; .458 Lott; .416 Weatherby Magnum; .505 Gibbs; .460 Weatherby Magnum and, last week, the .470 NE. For a sportsman who travels the world, the .375 H&H Magnum is a solid investment, one he or she can use for bears in America or buffalo in Southern Africa. When an African Professional Hunter tells you a .375 H&H is all you need, he means it; itll take any game animal on earth. 6,5 Creedmoor .308 Win. Any bullet type, any bullet weight, barrel twist to match bullet as needed. This modern rimmed case from Krieghoff uses a 3-inch case to push a 400-grain, .416-inch bullet to 2,300 fps and makes a solid choice for a hunter who wants a double-rifle in .40-caliber. / .38-72 / .405 Win / .375 Ruger / .400 Nitro Exp./ .404 Jeffery. Theres little doubt that the Barnes TSX would be a superior bullet by quite a margin! So, it looks like the .458 Win Mag (at least in the CZ) has a rather significant edge when barrels are the same (by the way I did the psi thing for the 400gr in the .404J with a 26 tube and a .25 for the .458WM) as well as muzzle velocity (and here again, I allowed a couple thousand higher psi in the .404J than Id consider normal). Both of these were chambered in .375 H&H, .416 Rigby, .458 Win and .458 Lott. Includes 2.5 packets of ammunition if picked up. / .40-65 Sharps 6.5-284 Norma / 6,5x52 Ital / 6,5x57 Rimmed / 7,21 Firebird 7mm Rigby ,/ .416 / 6,5 / 7mm / 8mm . Yes, of course and the rationale has been given that just didnt happen without reason, or because one of my three uncles designated Bob Mitchell to receive his .458 upon his decease! The .458 Winchester was born, claiming to drive a 510-grain bullet at 2,150 fps from the muzzle of the Model 70. There are plenty of factory loads, as well as component bullets available for the .416. 400 grain: 2250 fps/4496 ft-lbs, SD .272 (Federal TBBC) 500 grain: 2090 fps/4849 ft-lbs, SD .341 (Federal TBBC) (L-R): .458 Win Mag, .458 Lott, .460 Weatherby Gnanapragasam Creative Commons .470 Nitro Express Though the number of rifles produced prior to World War II was actually quite lowa whopping total of 169 riflesit was the writing of experienced African hunters like John Pondoro Taylor who sang its praises; but the 1953 release of Robert Ruarks Horn of the Hunter, in which he idolized his PH Harry Selby and his .416 Rigby, that sealed the cartridges fate. The .458 Lott, a wildcat that nicely improved on .458 Win. I have used a Winchester Model 70 in .416 Rem. It remains a great choice for a light-recoiling double-rifle cartridge capable of handling all game, including elephant. .577 Nitro Express compared to a .22 CB. Lets make this simple: Any cartridge over .50-caliber that will push 525-, 570- and 600-grain bullets over 2,000 fps will make a good stopping rifle. As you know by now, if youve been following these blogs, my own .458 Winchester is also a CZ 550 Magnum, not made in the USA but in the Czech Republic. It's got the history and all the oomph one could ever need. This proprietary cartridge duplicates the performance of the .404 Jeffery. And, in comparison to the .375s and 9.3mms, the bullet weight (along with correlative energy) of these lower .40s makes a definite difference when it comes to penetration. The 1980s saw a revival of the .416-inch-bore diameter: Federal brought back the .416 Rigby, and Remington introduced its .416 Remington Magnum, which is officially based on its 8mm Remington Magnum case (but the .40-caliber more than resembles the wildcat .416 Hoffman). Mag..416 Rigby.416 Wby. So we ARE comparing two brands of apples here sort of. Do yourself a favor get hold of a .423 bullet and a .458 bullet hold them in your hands ..you will really see a big difference between these two bullets..the .458" is really a lot bigger than the .423" no comparison at allthe 404 Jeffery is made for a 400 gn bullet at 2150 f/s it is deadly as isbut if you are not sure of your competency with such a load/rifle,,you can go heavier I suppose? >223 caliber in Ruger #3?.. battle of the big bores the .458 Win Mag advantagePart 2. Email When Available 470 NE: 500 Email When Available 505 GIBBS: 570 Email When Available 500 NE: 570 Email When Available 500 JEFFERY . But, if you want to put an exclamation point at the end of the hunting sentence, the .505 Gibbs will do just that. Instead of simply maintaining the .410-inch diameter bullet of the .450/400, the .404 Jeffery utilized a .423-inch diameter bullet of 400 grains, at the same muzzle velocity of 2150 fps, generating 4,100 ft.-lbs. Yes, the .45s have more weight and a greater frontal diameter, but the energy figures between the lower .40s and the .45s arent radically different: They both have roughly 1,000 more ft-lb at the muzzle than do the .375s. Capacity: 5 round internal magazine Fire Modes: Single shot (bolt action) The Brno ZKK-600 can be seen in the following: Film. However, having spent a considerable amount of time with both cartridgesin a few different riflesI will admit that the Rigby recoils harder than does the Jeffery. The load and bullet were revised, and things were set right; however, I feel that there are still flaws in the .458 Winchester. Yes, the .various .450s , .470s, .475 and their clones work great. Mag. While its paper ballistics indicate that the .375 H&H 300-grain load has more energy (4,263 ft-lb. For those hunters who want to approach the energy figures of the .45-calibers, but who still want a trajectory that can make the longer shots, the Rigby is a good choice. First, and most obvious, I can load it to its full-house specs for an extremely potent dangerous game cartridge. Ironically, while .405 is a bigger number than .404, the Jeffery takes a .423-inch bullet. The cartridge received some negative press early on, but in a high-quality, controlled-round-feed action, this cartridge is nothing shy of amazing. Its recoil, while higher than that of the .375 H&H, is manageable in a well-fitting rifle. Made for African DG and plains game, it worked pushing a 300gr in the neighborhood of 2600 fps and a Kynoch solid of 400grs at somewhere around 2100 and change (about the same as my Marlin in .45-70, except that that bullet was very strong and capable for anything up to and including elephant!). Photo Gallery Get the latest news and reviews from Gundigest.com. When a client shows up in camp with a .375 Holland & Holland, you immediately know that you have a practical and able chap as a customer, a wise and knowledgeable hunter who will listen to reason. 1964: Jim Sullivan, formally of Armalite, joins Ruger for the purpose of developing a new bolt action big game rifle to compete with the Winchester Model 70 and Remington Model 700. And although the volume of the .40-caliber's case is more than is probably needed with our modern powders, the pressures are lowand that isnt a bad thing. Nonetheless, many visiting sportsmen and Professional Hunters use the .458 Winchester with good effect. A classic hunting rifle. You take a liking to this guy immediately.. #1. He thought the full-length case of the .375 H&H (2.850 inches versus 2.500 inches for the .458 Winchester) would alleviate the case capacity problem and maybe even give a bit more velocity, and Mr. Lott was absolutely correct. While the trajectory is less than desirable at ranges over 150 yards, consider that most dangerous game is taken well within the 100-yard mark, so theres no real handicap if you choose the .450 NE when picking a dedicated dangerous game rifle. The beauty of the .450/400 NE is that it has the mildest recoil of all the valid dangerous game cartridgesmany shooters find the .450/400 even easier to shoot than the .375 H&H. But it does get an ill-proportioned amount of chatter on at least one forum. Donor brass is readily available; and, with a good set of dies, you end up with a belted case that fits perfectly in a long-action receiver. The 375 and 416 Ruger outperform their H&H based counterparts, and do so in standard action sizes, which makes them much more useful/wieldable for the average big/dangerous game hunter. It shares the same geometry (except for the rim), and its ballistics are nearly identical. 14 shots fired from new! And, Ive found theres a definite ramp-up in recoil when you go to the 500-grain, .45-caliber cartridges, which run at 2,150 fps and upward. My Ford van will do more than I care to push it So will my .458 Win Mag! Mag. That load has taken elephant, buffalo and a good number of species of plains game. An undeniable classic, the .416 Rigby was released in 1911. I prefer the 404J. The classic recipe is a 300-grain slug at 2,550 feet per second (fps), generating just over 4,000 ft.-lbs. Mag..243 Winchester vs. 6mm Remington7x57mm Mauser vs. 7mm-08 Remington.25-06 Remington vs. .257 Weatherby Magnum.338 Winchester vs. .375 H&H Magnum.30-30 Winchester vs. .35 Remington.257 Roberts vs. .250-3000 Savage.270 Winchester vs. .280 Remington.35 Whelen vs. 9.3x62mm Mauser.416 Rigby vs. .416 Remington Magnum.308 Winchester vs. .30-06 Springfield.22 Nosler vs. .224 Valkyrie.300 Win. Includes 1" (25mm) Opti lock bases and rings, front . Based on a shortened, blown-out, straight taper, .375 H&H Belted Magnum case, the .458 Winchester is designed for magazine rifles with standard (.30-06) length actions. But with the exception of that .405 Winchester, any of these cartridges will make you a happy hunter. 1970: M77 Magnum is introduced and includes a slightly longer action and calibers . Similarly, the 375 H&H Mag sired all of Winchester's belted magnum cases, namely the 264, 338, and 458 Winchester Magnums as well as the 7mm Rem Mag. Nah! Are they any real differences, as far as the late Elmer Keith once said about using a .416 Rigby for Kodiak bear- You mean it kills them too dead? between the .416 Rigby as loaded today by Woodleigh (my favorite) and the /416 Ruger? There are two more to be considered in this series: the .500 Jeffery and the .577 Nitro Express 3. The rifle has a weight of about 4.3kg and a standard barrel length of 61 cm. I have a .458 Lott and 404 Jeff , I would rather download the jeff than the 458 Lott or WM . And the .458 Win Mag is enough when measured by any sane set of criteria. 1969: M77 Varmint, or M77V, is introduced. The .416 Rigby was advertized as driving a 410-grain bullet at 2370 fps, for just over 5,100 ft.-lbs. vs. .458 Lott7mm Rem. The model PCR is renowned for its out of the box accuracy due to the 5-land barrel, which Remington found too expensive to continue producing in its line range, rather than the usual 4 . In addition if I remember correctly the NRA had an independent test run on the velocities of the 458 Win in 1956 which verified the original 2150fps ballistics with 510 gr bullets with the original 25 bbl. Yes, ballistics for particular purposes is important, but only one factor among ten. for 4,020 ft.-lbs. 6,5 - 284 Norma. S.D. While I think the ship has sailed, theres nothing wrong with using a .400 H&H for all dangerous-game hunting. Here is a quote from Karamojo Bell He wrote about being able to drop an elephant with a light caliber rifle if he shot it in the same place that he would have shot it with a heavy rifle and realised this fully when he saw that elephants shot with a .303 died just as quickly when shot in the same place as a .450/400 double rifle with both triggers wired together, so they went off at the same time. It delivers Rigby ballistics in a smaller cartridge, albeit at a higher chamber pressure. And then there are those who feel that anything smaller than the .500 Jeffery or .500 Nitro Express is a waste of time, because no smaller cartridge could possibly stop a charge. In the Norma PH line of ammunition, which uses heavier-than-normal bullet weights, both the Rigby and the Jeffery drive a 450-grain Woodleigh softpoint or FMJ to the same muzzle velocity of 2150 fps. Remington changed the design slightly, using their 8mm Remington Magnum case as a basis, and in 1988 released the .416 Remington Magnum. Fired only 20-30 rounds to sight in at the range. Its also easier to get an extra cartridge in the magazine with the narrower Jeffery case than with the big Rigby case. It was a particular favorite of Theodore Roosevelt, who dubbed it his medicine gun for lions. The Jeffery case and. It seems getting hold of the 404 Jeffery `s .423 " expanded soft nose bullet and a .458" expanded soft nose bullet may share some light on this discussion? But its not really about 300-grainers because, as suggested, its meat and potatoes load was a very reputable 400gr Kynoch solid. The classic cartridgesthose that made their reputations before World War II during the golden age of the safariall used a bullet with a sectional density greater than 0.300. [3] A 300-grain load at 2600 fps was also offered, but was not very effective against dangerous game. vs. .300 WSM.223 Remington vs. .22-250 Remington. What is it about the .404 Jeffery that revitalizes the passion of about .1% of rifle enthusiasts? and is also known as .404 Rimless Nitro Express. The Jeffery design saw the light of day around 1909 (accounts vary), to mirror the ballistics of the earlier .450/400, but in a repeating rifle. But thats not to cast doubt with faint praise with todays powders and stronger rifles it is quite capable of impressive performance though nothing extraordinary. Get a closer look at the Davidson's Weatherby Vanguard Cipher, the latest addition to our #SundayGunday series. Rifles chambered in .505 Gibbs and .500 Jeffery include a mercury recoil reducer installed in the stock. There are those who find the lighter cartridgesthe 9.3mms and .375sto be the pinnacle of versatility, because they offer trajectories similar to some of the popular deer cartridges, such as the .308 and .30-06, yet carry enough horsepower to handle even the largest game. Learn how your comment data is processed. Modern hunters have forgotten how to stalk their prey. And, my calculator tells me no lies! Heres the crop of the lower .40-caliber cartridges, including their strengths and weaknesses. With all due respect to the classics, I think there are better cartridges out there now that are more suitable and will outperform most of those listed. Any .45-Bore, 10-pound rifle with 3-pound trigger. I would stick with a PH who shows better judgement. It's an ancient round that was designed by W.J. Perhaps it would be great for some PHs who specialize in elephants, but for the rest of us who live in our more restricted real worlds, it would be another excess in hubris that typically ends in frustration and letdown. They provide adequate velocity, reasonable trajectories, and great killing power for their intended classes of game. Though it isnt among the most popular cartridges in the safari worldyet it has earned a place of reverence among professional hunters and those in the knowit has received a facelift as of late, with modern loads sending those 400-grain slugs at 2325 fps, for 4,800 ft.-lbs. Given the option I'd take the .404 over the .458, any day. For the professional who makes his living driving fast cars in circles, or 2.5 mile road courses, he can use all that power, and more but for the commuter who is restrained by the speed cops, or urban gridlock, it amounts to no end of frustration and letdown. The Firearms Industry is 2/3 B.S. Actual bullet diameter was .423-inch, already established in Europe as the 10.75mm. It was chambered in Vickers rifles, and was issued to the game scouts of Rhodesia, Tanganyika and Uganda for dangerous game control work. With the exception of those whove handloaded the Rigby case to the red zone, the Remington variant will match the performance of the older cartridge. You have entered an incorrect email address! An elephant wont be concerned about anything more than the fact that a bullet has passed through his/her brain. That 500gr load IS actual from my CZ at SAAMI COL. The big Gibbs case will need 130 to 145 grains of powder to push those huge bullets, and it pushes the big 570- and 600-grain slugs to 2,100 fps, for just under 5,900 ft.-lbs. <p>New 2nd generation redesigned version. Thats my view from here and its hard to argue with reality. Mag. In reviewing Swift bullet manual I see that if both the 404 & 458 are loaded with 400 grain bullets, the velocities are very similar. Mag. The same fate befell the .450 Nitro; ammo became more rare than hens teeth. While its a unique cartridge, the .425 isnt incredibly popular, and Kynoch is the only ammunition provider when this ammo is available. Experiences? Even so, perhaps its the fact that only Hornady provides ammunition; or perhaps the .40-caliber lacks the look of power. Am I suggesting that cartridges such as the revered .375 H&H Magnum arent sufficient for dangerous-game hunting? I feel that somewhere in the middle lies the best balance of trajectory, striking power and ease of shootingthose lower .40-caliber cartridges. at the muzzle. Email When Available 458 WIN MAG: 500 [+] Close . Ballistics expert Keith Luckhurst ran some trajectory tests comparing a .404 Jeffery loaded with 400-grain bullets at 2280 fps, a .458 Winchester Magnum loaded with 500-grain bullets at 2090 fps, and a .375 H&H leaded with 300-grain bullets at 2550 fps, all sighted in at 100 meters. 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